Why Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy is a better platformer than Super Mario 64

The definitive conversation on the greatest platformer of our time


Both are worse than Vexx, sorry.


I didn’t know that someone other than me remembered Vexx.

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I honestly prefer both the first Ratchet & Clank and the first Sly game over Jak 1 and Jak 2 & 3 over Jak 1.

And, of course, Super Mario 64 over Jak 1.

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I don’t remember much about Jak except I got the Platinum trophy and getting all the Precursor Eggs was tough because one was half-submerged in the level’s geometry. I played it back in 2013ish despite being a fan of the other two Jak games for years.

Super Mario 64 is a game that just feels great to think about but whenever I try to play it I burn out before a few worlds. I consider it to be the best 3D platformer of that vintage and I generally like 3D platformers but I’ve never gotten far in that game.

Platformer? OH! you mean Bugdom-likes.

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+1 for Vexx

I never beat the final boss, but its aesthetic was so strong

Yo. Dude.

Like, I LOVE Jak and Daxter, it was the first game I got for my ps2 and I have more fond memories of that thing than probably any other game I have ever played. I will defend every single bit of that game to an absolutely irrational level any day of the week.

but still. DUDE. SUPER MARIO 64.


J&D and SM64 are both overrated, IMO

Since this thread is still going, I should probably give a serious answer. Jak and Daxter is a really cool game that I thoroughly enjoyed in my childhood and I look forward to the upcoming re-release on PS4.

Mario 64 is one of the greatest games ever made and might be the greatest 3D platformer ever made, full stop. But also, they are fairly different games. While Mario 64 is very mechanically oriented, Jak and Daxter is more of an action-adventure, with a linear story and side-quests, more akin to Banjo-Kazooie.

I agree with OP. SM64 certainly did some really innovative stuff, but a lot of it has aged pretty poorly compared to J&D. It’s definitely still pretty fun, but I find the idea that it would still be considered one of the best platformers to be pretty ridiculous. J&D also definitely has it’s flaws, but it’s qualities are less based on historic value and nostalgia than solid craftsmanship.

This is a clickbait title if I ever saw one, but damn do I love me some Jak & Daxter. One of the first console games I owned along with my PS2. I replayed it recently in the PS3 collection and still enjoyed it greatly.

I can not hear you over all these precursor orbs I am collecting and how it sounds so much better than collecting coins and stuff…sniff…I just want a new Jak & Daxter damn it. drinks bourbon

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Those precursor orb sounds were pretty good… Drinks bourbon as a single tear rolls down cheek

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The Jak games never really did it for me, I’d take Sly 2 or any of the first three Ratchet & Clank games first

Croc’s got a v special place in my heart, too

Was hoping for some actual discourse from the OP as to why.

I mean, the most obvious reason I could think being that the level design is much more organic to the world of Jak and Daxter, versus SM64 which used the painting concept to excuse levels that are plainly experiments in 3d level design.


Yup. I think Jak 1 is almost the perfect 3d platformer. If the fishing minigame wasn’t mandatory and there were some additional moves you could learn, it would be an S-Rank high grade masterwork.

It’s only mandatory if you’re going for 100% Power Cells. Plus when I played it last year it wasn’t nearly as frustrating as I remembered.

Ah ok then​. I definitely got 100% because I remember being hyped to hell by the bonus cliffhanger ending as a kid.

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